Episode 1 Of The Psychedelic Space Podcast Is LIVE!
Feb 18, 2021
The Psychedelic Space Podcast Episode 1
Well I don't know if you're excited. But I'm really excited
oh my god I'm so excited.
Okay, so we this is the official launch of the psychedelic space,
bro. Ah, okay. So, the psychedelic space is. I mean it really came from clubhouse and all these interviews and it's amazing information that's been coming in and wanting a space for people to be able to access the information, even beyond clubhouse to increase accessibility. So we are streaming this as well through transcription so that people can follow along. It'll be turned into a written form so people can read it so that if they have any auditory just particular auditory needs or whatever, that we get to bring more info I'm excited.
So Tom Woody, what do you think when you think of all the people that ask us questions about their own individual experts exploration of psychedelics What do you think are the top three questions.
What are psychedelics.
Where do I go to get treatment for or with psychedelics. And what substances are the best ones for me.
Well, we're gonna be answering those, for sure. So for facilitators whether those studying with maps or those studying with shaman down in the jungle to ketamine clinicians, what do you think are the top three questions you hear from practitioners, practitioners are is you know will I go to jail. Is this legal.
What do I do to make my people safe, and how do I prepare my space. And the mindset of the people that I'm working with this set and setting.
Yeah, and I think the the final component we get asked the most is about accessibility for marginalized communities and contribution. And for people that are benefiting from this type of exploration are they giving back to communities. And so one of our big. I don't know, I'm not a big fan of the word mission but one of our big focus within this work is also bringing accessibility and D stigmatizing this Can you share a bit of D stigmatization from your own personal journey coming from a medical practitioner and then also coming from Flatbush, Brooklyn.
Sure, you know, psychedelics have been heavy heavily stigmatized as as demonic as something's wrong with them they're bad, they're street drugs and so on. They have been from my vantage point as a nurse for 25 years in emergency medicine, working in hospitals in New York City psychedelics have been have gotten a bad rap, I was part of that rap I was part of the brainwashing of people I was completely programmed into believing in psychedelics were were addictive psychedelics we're going to break people's psychedelics want to make people go into psychosis and kill each other. And throughout throughout my entire career I have never seen anyone die from traditional psychedelics. There are traditions to psychedelics nobody from Mali or MDMA or ecstasy, nobody die from from mushrooms nobody died from Iosco or San Pedro nobody died from IBM from Ibogaine, which is one of the more recent things in my career, nobody died from the only thing that I've seen anybody die from an overdose from ketamine. And that was a baby. So, I have not, you know, I have not seen anybody hooked nobody came to the hospital hooked on it, nobody ever needed detox from any of these substances or anything like that. So there's a stigmatization that these things are bad because they've been they've been labeled schedule one schedule one drugs, and so they are illegal. And this, you know, a lot of this happened this transpired. After this the psychedelics boom in the 60s, when people started exploring stuff and people were altered and studies were happening and they all got shut down, because there was a huge exploration, boom, and an explosion of exploration into the self, and it was causing people to actually resist systems and so it caused a big upheaval and, you know, in the United States of America in particular I can't speak of any other countries, but uh you know that caused a lot of issues, and they were labeled as a schedule one drug. So that stigma, got infused into everybody in the healthcare industry, anybody who wasn't doing exploration on themselves or really deep dive in deep enough to move away from the programming of big, big medicine Big Pharma. So, yes it is. There's been a stigma. And so, coming out of. When I first explored psychedelics I think I was in year, 22, my nursing career. And yeah, it's not well. Yeah, no, I'm on 28 now so you're 20. Yeah, yeah, I've been in psychedelics for eight years now. And so, after 20 years, I've been looking for ways to get myself deeply connected with myself. And in my explorations I found out that psychedelics weren't the things that people pegged them to be. And any medication or substance or drug or whatever that you take in a dysfunctional space, can cause dysfunctional situations with a human organism. I know people that that that have expansive spaces with all kinds of substances that are considered illegal that they know how to become intimate with any any. And it's changed the way I see things with any kind of substances, be that food or whatever. So, you know the stigma around psychedelics from, from a standpoint of the media of big companies and corporations talking a bunch of stuff about things and telling people that they're bad and flexing the muscles of authority. If a TV show or a newscaster tells you that something is bad, or if a doctor tells you that something is bad and you put them in an authority space, it, it can stop a person from digging deep to see if that's the actual truth or not because they put a person in a position of authority. And so I've moved beyond that, into a space where I've actually experienced these, these things for myself I see, I see the healing properties and healing potential in myself, and I've moved into a space where I actually help people navigate these spaces, and it's been tremendous.
And there's so that you have all your medical background. And then in addition to that, When we look at who's in prison for substances, and in places where they become legalized and we still have people in prisons. So, where do you see how do we educate when what we see predominantly are people of color in prisons all across this country, even in the areas where say marijuana has been legalized, what are some of the things you perceive are going to have to happen conversation wise in addition to that because I would imagine that is going to bring up a fear space for a lot of folks that are non white folks looking to explore what psychedelics and mysticism and some of these components. Could alleviate or help them heal, or to reconnect What are. I mean, where do we go from there.
I mean it's it's a huge dialogue and it's a huge conversation, and before we get into race, race dynamics and that type of situation, the exploration around cannabis. As a mind altering body altering state altering substance that has been proven time and time again to not be I've never seen anybody die from marijuana. I've never seen I've seen people have heart palpitations and stuff and I've seen people have issues around things, the cannabis laced with things I've never seen anybody die or anything like that from from marijuana. People are usually super duper chill with with cannabinoids and the research that has happened in the past 1520 years with cannabis has exploded into the mainstream and shows proof positive time and time again that this, the cannabinoids when used in a functional space in a therapeutic space or even, you know, outside of therapy spaces on our own has had amazing healing effects for people, amazing connecting and connecting effects with people, and just an overall benefit to society that outweighs any kind of damage that could have been done. And so, you know when when cannabis was outlawed well that means been out of work for a long time I can't even tell you when the people that have been locked up and and that had been serving time for cannabis being illegal. And now in many places where it is legalized, they're still in jail says a lot about the prison industrial complex, and anyone who knows anything about the prison industrial complex, particularly in the United States of America and United Kingdom. There's a focus on the incarceration of people of color, and people of non white origin and not non white specifications in race, and when you're pulling race cards. So, you know, they go hand in hand in hand when you look at the prison industrial complex that has been a business that has been fortified by incarcerating people of color and keeping people of color locked up and and so you know it's it's it's bigger than just a race situation, and you know diving into this stuff when we start to when we start to create legislation around these things. The younger, the younger generation that is coming forward that is starting to become more aware of this, have to build this into our legislation that these people that have to be these people have to be exonerated. I love that word exonerated these people have to be exonerated from from with all of this stuff and and to be protected in these spaces as well. The prison industrial complex is focused on people of lower income to keep to keep them in these spaces, because once you become incarcerated if you are in a space where you don't have a particular level of education and you come out of incarceration. To get to get to have any sort of any sort of employment is very challenging because you know you can't get a job with the record so you go back to crime where you go back to whatever is considered criminal, and you do it so that you can make money to fortify your life and your family so you have recidivism which is bringing people back into the situation. So, these things have to be addressed and people have to be educated upon this, and this is where we talk to our children, we talk to our you know as black people we talk to white people about this stuff and we educate them, and we as white people, y'all talk to other white people and educate them around these things and it's the same thing with any type of of altering state altering substance and we move into things like psychedelics having these, these things considered is really, really important. And you know when you look at this, again, as psychedelics are becoming more involved and becoming more legal. It is, it is a bit expensive for people to have legal substances. And so again, black and Latino people minority people that are considered minorities Asian folks that that are in impoverished areas will not have access to this stuff. And so the procuring of these things. In, quote unquote, illegal spaces for therapeutic situations can put a person into jeopardy. And so people will not lean into it. So these are all things that have to be considered from my vantage point when when we're talking about legislation and the people that we vote into office on a local level, not, not necessarily for presidential or the governor or whatever but on a local level, who is working for the legislation. And the empowerment of the people. I think this is really important when we work in democratic spaces, if we're going to be voting and participating in these systems we have to build the systems from the ground up.
Yeah, I think that you just made a really important point, quite often in the spiritual space in the woowoo space we'll say, folks will often talk about, you know, the indigenous cultures they come from which, of course, are in consideration as well and then quite often, the local legislation is not being committed to. And so then we have folks, being put in jail indefinitely, in many cases, and so I think that, you know, really keeping in mind. Yes, contributing to some of the cultures where we're getting these lessons from these teachers from an in addition to what are you doing in your home area for the fortification of freedom for those that are facilitating these resources for people that don't have access, because as this becomes more mainstream. As far as MDMA psilocybin and ketamine. What we're also going to see is accessibility is going to be an issue, again, just like it has been in mental health and finding quality care. A good therapist right now, in particular in 2021 has a waitlist. That is a mile long, and that's with or without insurance and
crappy therapists have a waiting,
I know, I know and you look at one of these, remember if it was talkspace or one of these apps they were up like 70 or 80% for their signups for their like talk therapy via text. So we already know, getting a good therapist and mental health practitioner is challenging, let alone. Now, in Big Pharma is gonna swoop in as they do to bring to the masses MDMA and psilocybin for treatment, and they're going to want to monopolize the treatment capacities for financial gain. And so I think that a big part of my intention in sharing education and keeping the psychedelic space as an opportunity for people to educate themselves is kind of the answer to what's coming down the pipeline here in a few years, to have where cultivation and people being able to grow their own and things like that, I think, really gives the power back to folks that they have to know what the options are before, before they start getting handed the only options they think are available. So, for me, that's a big piece of what I'm really leaning into is connecting Western minds with ancient wisdom, and we're going to be doing that a lot through the psychedelic space program which will be in person trainings that we will offer in a hybrid space, in case people can't travel, whether because of finance or, you know, environmental situations, whether it's ketamine climate clinic clips ketamine clinicians transformational integrators space holders sitters just folks that are committed to the safety empowerment and sovereignty of the people in their lives, they're looking to support, whether it means that you have a friend that keeps saying they've been wanting to, you know, explore a psychedelic space through fun guide to know that they have someone that knows how to hold space for them to bring a level of safety is really important to me, and really making the work, at least the work part of facilitating or integrating easy so that the practitioner can focus on creating an impact and supporting lasting results. And so it's one of the things I'm most excited about is our first level one three day introductory training that will take place in Austin, and online, on the first week of May, so that's exciting for me and then moving all the way up to a 12 month intensive really bringing accessibility to this podcast, to clubhouse having live transcription is really exciting for me so that people that don't have access to clubhouse will still have access to these conversations experts shaman couldn't dedos watch you Meadows iOS ghettos all of the edos
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so that people can find the information if they're looking for it and as we always say tradition is the beautiful gift tradition can also be a prison, and our prison systems as they have been have been traditional for this country. And so not all tradition is functional, so it's time for us to really bring that back as an opportunity to really change some things
change a whole lot of things. I mean, you know, as, as an advocate for psychedelic safety in black and Latino communities. I'm really all about safety, and as a nurse and as a human being as a practitioner as a person. I'm all about the safety of the individual and anybody that's worked with us knows that safety is our number one priority. If you're looking to explore anything. If you are not safe, you will not go the places that you can regardless of if you're using psychedelics or going to talk therapy if you do not feel safe with the practitioner that you're that you're interacting with, you're not going to get, you're not going to get to the place that you possibly could. And there are many people that I know that that are going to therapists that don't like a therapist and aren't completely honest with it or got off the phone today with somebody who's not being honest with their therapist, and they're wondering why they're not getting to where they want to go. It's because they are they are not in the space of safety. And if you are not in the space of safety you cannot be intimate with anyone, or any psychedelic or any substance or medication if you are putting medication in your mouth that you're afraid of, you're not going to be your body's not going to accept it. So the safety spaces are really, really important. Agreed. And so you know the the education of safety around psychedelics is a huge part of this podcast. It's a huge part of our lives. It's a huge part of what's going on and we're stepping up to really educate people on in that space.
Yeah, I'm really excited about it and I realized I think we jumped in, I don't even know if we said our names yet.
I mean just dive right in. I know right
so excited. Y'all I'm really I'm excited about this whole thing, and all the opportunity that this brings. And so, I'll do a slight introduction, now that we're the outro of the intro episode. My name is Cole Woody, I am partner and friend of the ever magical tall witty. And I've got a pretty crazy story which we'll get into another time because it's not really what it's about today and I know that you may be curious what led me down this path I'll give you the cliff notes of the cliff notes. I had a lot of childhood experiences and trauma that led me to being an at risk youth that led me to some pretty precarious situations that led me to an overdose by 17 and flung my you know the pendulum swung the other direction into education and substance abuse education for teens. And that led me to where I am now in a very windy windy path, all over the world. touring with music and technology. And it landed me perfectly here with the love of my life in the life that I love and have been co creating very intentionally these last 10 years, and I am excited to help support other people finding their way home, because I have found home. And I think that in that space is where I found everything I needed. And so I could turn and offer everything that I've learned for others to find their way home. So that's me. Cole witty
and what up y'all My name is Tah Whitty I am the partner to the unimaginably sexy fantastic brilliant Kole and I go by, Tah, that is the sound that I prefer to be called, and called by, so I am an intimacy coach I practice what I call sover-intimacy and sovereignty and intimacy mixed together. I am a person who is an advocate of sovereignty of your organism in your intimate spaces. And I'm really interested in changing the way people see intimacy and we go really really deep self intimacy through, through yourself self intimacy through others self intimacy through psychedelics. I'm also an educator of psychedelic facilitators and an advocate for psychedelic safety in black and Latino communities. And I'm all about uplifting human beings who are feeling stuck in their relationships with themselves, others in your environment is a practice nursing for 20 years, excuse me for 25 years I've been a nurse for 2823 of those years in emergency nursing in New York City, 12, different hospitals all over New York City and some way beyond trauma informed I'm battle tested. And I'm glad to be here with, with the amazing Kole, and we are growing, and we're showing and we're showing up for people and we're creating environments of safety on Instagram On Facebook on clubhouse in your neighborhood and in person. So let's get it cracking let's get it cranking.
So there's three shows a week on clubhouse Tuesdays and Thursday mornings is all about bio hacking and mysticism. It's really for me the integration of what is the old philosophers and from my perception the old. They were the scientists and the mystics so I'm excited for a continued integration of these practices, and to illuminate your path and healing your body from chronic diseases like I have healing your mind from some of the experiences and truths that were not really true anymore for me. And I can't wait, and Wednesdays is our other show Wednesdays at 4pm Central time if you want to tune in live, and soon we'll have available a direct link so that you can watch in real time, the transcription and closed captions to ensure that you can join in and ask questions if you so desire and join us live on clubhouse. So, we love you so much, with a Ferber, we can not put in words and we wouldn't even try. It would be downplaying the magic that you are so I'm excited for this ride
Any other marks on this ride, I am so excited. Make sure you follow through with whatever you want to do, make sure you get deep with yourself and the people and things around you that you want to connect with is so important for you to be deeply connected, because that is how we fulfill and empower ourselves and when we stand together in power in the world is a much easier place to live in. And there is no fighting no competition and nonsense like that that's that's causes us to step on each other. We're uplifting one another so let's do it, y'all.
We'll see you in the psychedelic clubhouse on clubhouse. the psychedelic clubhouse has lots of other amazing speakers as well. This is where we're stepping our foot planting firmly on the ground, and we hope to see you here, there, everywhere we can, and hope to hug you in person very soon. Until next time, my name is Kole
My name is Tah,
this is the psychedelic space program. Until next time, y'all be