Ep2 Be Kind To YourSelf, It's Always Unfolding

Tah 0:00
Information about psychedelics connection and humanity. I am an intimacy coach, I practice what I call cyber intimacy, which is a combination of sovereignty and intimacy. When you are sovereign in your experience of your intimacy, you are the person who is in control of how you perceive what you connect with and how you connect with what you connect with and how those things connect with you. I am deeply into self intimacy through the utilization of psychedelics. I am an educator of psychedelic facilitators, trip sitters and space holders. And I'm an advocate for psychedelic safety in black and Latino communities. And with that, I would like to say that this is a safe stage. For those of you who are looking for safe stages, if your voice is welcome here to be heard, no matter where you're from, what your gender identity is, no matter what your race, no matter what language you speak, you are welcome here, and you are welcome to speak. So we want you to know that. So thank you for being here. And that's all I got for you for right now.

Lucrecia 1:05
Hello, everyone, my name is Lucrecia. And I've been working with all the different medicines for the past 10 years. And what got me to stop that journey was

I was seeking to heal my complex PTSD. And after trying many of the conventional therapies, nothing worked. And after I saw the transformation that I got from, from all the different plant medicines and chemical teachers, as I call them, and and the transformation on those around me, I fully believe in how powerful these are. So part of my life mission is to speak about them and the power of healing through them. So I can help with D stigmatizing them, especially back in my country in Mexico.

Kole 1:57
And I'm complete. Thank you, Drew.

Drew Muse 2:02
Thank you, everyone's introduction was so amazing. So thank you, I just want to introduce myself as drew muse,

body band yoga on Instagram, I'm a mindfulness and yoga teacher, I actually healed my own body and mind through yoga. And so I became a teacher after that I've been practicing for 11 years. And I did dabble in psychedelics recreationally for a part of my youth. And then I realize how much my life had changed since that moment. And since then, I've been trying to uncover and discover all of the ways I can help integrate psychedelics into not just the black community, but in all communities.

I definitely resonate with Lucrecia I think is how I pronounce your name.

And just trying to like get rid of the stigma against psychedelics, because it's a wonderful medicine. It has so many amazing properties and not just psychedelic mushrooms, but a lot of the mushrooms that are out there gourmet medicinal. So yeah, I'm just educating myself and the people around me on how we can integrate mushrooms into our diet more into our lifestyles. And I also am developing a chocolate company right now. I will have a website out in the next two weeks selling my chocolate. So very excited about that and just grateful to be here in the space of all you guys. Huh? Thank you so much.

Kole 3:30
And then just to introduce myself, so my name is Kole Whitty partner of the ever magical, beautiful mystical, Tah Whitty. I'm all about connecting Western minds with ancient wisdom. What that means to me, is helping to facilitate each person finding their way home with whoever that resonates for them, whatever plant or fungi or as Lucrezia said psychedelic chemical teachers as well, whatever that is for them. I've studied a lot of different lineages and ancestral traditions. And so I say, I'm like a shamanic or shamanic strategist, I'm helping everyone find their shamanic path. So that is my that is my facilitation style. And my main focus right now is for the next two years, getting as many people versed and educated to be trip sitters and facilitators of safe experiences, to ensure harm reduction and accessibility for all in looking at what is moving forward and how mental health has taken traumatic, dramatic and reached traumatic and dramatic levels. The time is now to bring education. The standpoint I come from is that just like teaching abstinence does not prevent teen pregnancy, not teaching about psychedelics will not prevent people exploring them and so

For me, it's bringing education to do it as safely as possible. So to set the room for today, we're talking about which plants or fungi? And with who How do you find your path? Or maybe you want to share a bit about your story and how you found your path? It's a common question for people is like, how do I find my teacher, my mentor, my plant, my spirit guides, my ancestors? How do I call those in? So that's really going to be a lot of the focus for today. So if you've got any questions, comments, tools, resources that helped you go ahead and raise your hand, and know that this session is being recorded, so I will be asking for consent before you speak so that we are both clear that this is a consensual environment, we always lead with safety first. And that means the safety of your financial, emotional, spiritual, and physical selves in this unified self that shows up with us today. So again, if you can say your name every time you begin, and then also let us know your question or your comment, then we will kick it off with you, Alan, let me know that you are cool with being recorded. And then we would love to hear from you.

Alan 6:16
Hi, yes, I can sense Absolutely.

Yes. So my name is Alan, I live in Germany at the moment, I'm British.

I have maybe the past three years started with anxiety. And when I heard about psychedelics and micro dosing, I was very, it just felt very cool to me. Obviously, I like experimentation with drugs. I just I have no experience with psychedelics. And

yeah, so I didn't want to go down the route of narcotics at all. And as you know, just the idea of a trip excited me too. So I started two weeks ago.

microdosing psilocybin I've loved the effects. So far, my friends have noticed that like I wasn't I'm not super depressed, but I have waves of anxiety. And yeah, I suppose depression, but nothing too severe. And there is already an effective resolves. My question is,

I do want to trip I want to I want to take a trip and I have got some stuff coming this week. Hopefully it arrives by the weekend.

I just as I'm a beginner, I just want to maybe some advice, some tips, maybe with dosage and what to expect.

Obviously, it's dependent on the on what I'm taking, I suppose. But yeah, any any tips and advice for a beginner? Really?

Kole 7:43
That's it done speaking? Sure. So this is coal. something to consider. And something we're going to keep touching in on is we are not suggesting anyone do any illegal or illicit activity that is against the laws of the land of where they live. Perfect. Now that we have officially stated that to be the case here and we will reiterate, over time, I will share from my lens knowing what I know now, what I would do as an explorer in curiosity, looking back, a few things starts with intention. So much of dosage when I'm determining what I'm looking to explore has to do with how much and so if you were me, what would your intention be with where you are and what you're looking to see do be or understand.

I mean, recently with the micro dosing and feeling like I've started yoga and

meditation for the first time. Now I see it as I do want to see it as a spiritual experience. I do want to see nature come alive, I want to see colors and hallucinate.

Alan 8:57
I also I do want to have fun with it too.

But I do want it to help and I do want to be I want to internalize it a little bit to see if anything comes of I don't know awakening or expansion of something inside me or or unlocks a

blockage that I have with insecurity or creativity creativity speak to me I'm I'm a musical theater performer and photographer.

Kole 9:28
And I would love just to enhance those kind of experiences. Really? Thank you. Mm hmm. So this is called speaking. That was

a few questions that sounded like only a couple questions, but you actually set a tremendous amount within those couple questions. So in the exploration here's the thing is when you're when you're not used to the landscape, that is psychedelics, the different dimensions the intergalactic components, some of the creatures entities experiences, sounds, colors.

It's like learning a new language. And so quite often, humans enter into experiences through the lenses that they've been conditioned and what they've experienced so far. And they experience outside of what their physical mind, their brain could imagine. And so it makes it very challenging for context to feel like they understood anything. So what I mean by that is to simplify, the clearer you get in what you would like this first exploration to be, consider all of the things that you named is a forever ongoing process. It is a unfolding It is like we say layers of the onion that as soon as you think you've dealt with something, give it a couple years, it'll be back. Because there's a new knowing or understanding or perspective, you don't have yet. And until you do cannot completely understand the context. So if you were going to start with an initial exploratory invitation of this new relationship that you're developing, what would it be? Because I like to view all plants and fungi

as relationships just like I would with a person. What, what would I like this relationship to look like? If this was your first date? You know, you've been talking on OkCupid or Tinder or whatever, with this substance for a little while now? What would you like for this first big weekend together?

Unknown Speaker 11:31
Hmm.

Unknown Speaker 11:33
I think I definitely, I would definitely want it to start slow. Definitely want to get to know

Unknown Speaker 11:39
to get to know the fun guy. And not not not take too extreme of a step.

Unknown Speaker 11:47
Feel awake to feel

Unknown Speaker 11:50
I mean, it's been a it's been a quite a drastic winter here. And it's been quite miserable where I've been. So just to see, just to see life and color and, and energy and vibration again, somewhere in the night, can I share something, please? Um, what I can say for your first trip ever.

Drew Muse 12:12
Because I had a lot of expectation about my first trip. And I felt like I sound similar to you not to say like, just to, like expecting, like, wow, I'm going to the world is going to unfold. Like, that's really how I felt. And I, I would suggest you more so surrender to the experience and kind of see what the medicine has to show you. Whether as what you're trying to see. Because like Corel said, like your imagination is, your imagination can't really fathom what you're about to experience. So like trying to create an expectation based off of other people's experiences may disappoint you. So just try and like surrender, and just that that will that if I were you, I would just surrender. If I could go back to my first experience, I would do that. And this is true, making

Alan 13:08
sure that makes a lot of sense.

Unknown Speaker 13:11
Man, I interject, I fully agree with you drew.

Unknown Speaker 13:16
And I had my first experience this past weekend.

Unknown Speaker 13:21
And I think you have to cut it's kind of a communication you have with, with

Drew Muse 13:27
the the substance or the the plans, right. And I felt almost like it was I felt like it was talking to me, not like a color. I wasn't like expecting to see unicorns or anything, you know, but I felt you just got to surrender your, your inhibitions, your shame, and your things like that, that we carry with us. And, and when you show it happiness, it shows you happiness, you know. And when you when you show it, you know who you are, it shows you that in return. And it kind of lets you discover yourself a bit. It was very interesting.

Tah 13:57
Thank you for that. And I'd like to chime in on this. And thanks drew for bringing this up because I was gonna jump in on this too. And Alan, you had mentioned something about anxiety had been coming up for you. And anxiety is a very future based phenomenon, when the psyche is looking for something to happen in the future, and the body is looking to coincide with it and react and respond to it. So the body, the physical body and the emotional body lean into to a future based idea of something. So when you're going into a journey, or you're going into a trip or whatever ceremony, whatever you want to call it, leaning into something with anticipation is not the same as leaning into something with expectation. When you expect something, you kind of put a hard edge. Imagine nation on something and you don't allow your body to fall into whatever does come. So you can anticipate a change or you can anticipate an expansion and have curiosity around it without having an expectation. And when this is this is something when I first started doing

any expectation of of having a trip or an experience, put me in a space where I was anxious. Or, if anxiety is a space that your body has been getting into over the past year or so or two years, or however long you've been experiencing it, it may start to become a habit in your physicality, to be anxious about things because of expectation. So leaning into a space of allowing and complete surrender, like Drew was saying, is a space that that takes some practice. And so when you're when you're in the journey space, if you if you are working with a facilitator, a space holder or a trip setter, let them know that you have been having some stuff around anxiety, and maybe anticipations of the future and expectations on what you want. But what could come in this journey. You also said at the beginning of this, I'd like to know what to expect, there is no expectation things will happen based on your imagination based on your physical body, all of the things that have happened and transpired in your life. And the potential of all of the energetics of the food that you've been eating the water, you've been drinking the oxygen that you've been breathing, the people that you've been around, are all a combination of your imaginative processes that bring things into play. So again, you know, dovetailing following up, piggybacking, whatever you want to call it, what drew was saying,

being mindful of all creation, and leaning into leaning into anticipation is something that I'm going to suggest for you.

Lucrecia 16:32
Hi, this is Lucas, I would like to add something to that when when we set expectations for something, we are probably setting ourselves up for disappointment. And

also, we might be

missing an entirely new experience that we

we couldn't even imagine if we try to create it. So by being open, and just, I don't like the word surrender. For me, I use devoted to the medicine in the journey is like, it's a whole new world of possibilities out there. And

Unknown Speaker 17:16
you never know what you might learn about yourself or others around you. I'm complete. Mm hmm. Thank you crazy. And just for the sake of time, we're going to move through but for anyone listening, just something to consider writing a love letter to this relationship you're looking to craft and explore is part of it can create a ritual and an intentionality not only setting an intention, but bringing intentionality and attention to your physicality in CO creating this experience, with the plans with the fun guy with the substance, Todd, I do that with food, everything that we ingest and bring into our field, we we really look to have intentionality and to expand our awareness into it. So Elon, even sitting down writing a love letter to this new relationship you want to explore, of getting to know this energy is a powerful practice because it starts to bring awareness now the journey starts long before you ingest any plants. We've all been on the journey that we are on into this moment. So it's a beautiful opportunity to really craft that a bit more. And just for the sake of time, I do want to go to the next comment. And thank you, Alan, I hope some of that gave you some more consideration and direction. Yes, thank you very much.

Kole 18:38
Thank you. Thank you. All right, Kevin. Welcome. So I was gonna say welcome so much. I don't I mean, yes, I guess that works to let us know your name, just so that as we get into a habit of helping anyone that may not be by their phone or may not be able to see the screen, let them know your name. And then let us know your question or comment or tool that's helped you. Thanks so much. Cool. My name is Kevin and I do consent to being recorded. My question is a little bit more technical only because I've been microdosing for a few years now with great results, specifically around anxiety, depression, PTSD. And I'm at the point now where I want to really dial it in. And the question I have is, while I'm working on dosage, and I understand this is all educational and theoretical, is there a strain or a synergistic combination that would be best for

anxiety, depression, mental health.

And so this is cold speaking. Here's the thing. It's because someone's environment, their childhood experiences, their medications, what food they consume, how safe they are in their current experience in their life, their relationships.

Their job, there's no way to really generally answer that. Here's what I'll tell you for my exploration, that has proved to be really powerful and safe feeling, one, having someone in the environment just to keep my physical body safe, literally someone to just sit there. In case I need to go to the bathroom in case I need a tissue in case I feel like I might need to purge. Not all purging is just from a high dose, it's from holding energy in the body from my lens. And so if I was going to say what I would do, and exploring some fuller experience, that would be my next step after micro would be probably two to three grams of a B plus, or some kind of middle Brazilian Amazonia. psilocybin, or wachuma, which is San Pedro, knowing what I know now, it's enough to give you an entry point to first explore a psychedelic space without taking you so far so far, you could panic now, for someone that I do not have anxiety or depression at this juncture. And it's been quite a few years since I have when I entered this work I did. So the feeling of being altered for me was terrifying. And so having a facilitator for me, was very important. Because as my nervous system got activated, my fear boosted and that intensified my feelings of being out of control and fear. So depending on a person's experience, depends on how highly I recommend having someone that is a facilitator versus a trip sitter. Because for me, the differences is a trip sitter literally just ensures the safety of the space, helps to get water, things like that someone that is a facilitator can go deeper because they understand the landscape you may be in. Ideally, they've dealt with some of the things that you have, because they can walk you through some tools, not to give you advice on what you should do more, they've been there. And they may be able to help you ask yourself questions for the illuminations and the realizations necessary to move through them. And at the end of the day, if it is just you and you feel safe, and you've had enough exploration with micro dosing to increase it, then you know, have a friend on call and kind of say what happens when for yourself to create an environment that is safe and supportive of you. So that's a few things I'm sure we've got some other people on stage Astro, Steven even drew tala Glazier that have some thoughts.

Drew Muse 22:39
Yeah, this is Drew Kevin, I just wanted to suggest some edible mushrooms or not psychedelic or anything but lion's mane and Reishi are really good mushrooms for they help with nerve repair. They help balance out your mood, they help with depression, and kind of anxiety and kind of help balance you out a little more.

If that is something you might want to combine with Phyllis, Ivan, maybe that's just really an assumption. That's if you want to, I just suggest those as regular mushrooms you should eat throughout your life, whether you're tripping or not. Thank you so much. And Kole I appreciate everything you just said. I'm kind of specifically trying to dial in micro dosing. And so thank you drew. It was Lion's Mane that was coming to me to thinking about adding that synergistically. So that helps him currently at about point one eight of a gram, but the source that I'm in theory getting this from I don't think the dosage is exact. So I know that yesterday, which was supposed to be a micro dose, I spent the day hugging trees, which was awesome, but it was horrible for my calendar. So I'm it's probably time for me to just kind of control my own destiny. Yeah, you can you can mix ginger with it to to help the nausea on a higher dosage. Yeah, I think he's saying this is called his state, staying in a smaller. So here's the thing, a micro dose is always an approximation, and it depends on the strain. Micro is sub perceptual. And here's the thing when it comes to micro dosing, from my experience, if I'm looking for micro dosing to extend my integration processes, if I had a big journey that I had a big realization, and I'm looking for support in remembering or staying grounded in that truth, I will actually start even lower because as the dial goes up higher specifically with psilocybin, then I struggle to focus because it gets my creativity going, which isn't a problem, except for I do have days that I have very tactile things that need to have happen. So actually, for me to microdose LSD for more clarity in the hearing the noun

Kole 25:00
is the direction I shift to, or watch uma, San Pedro. For micro dosing, they're more of a masculine container which brings clarity and focus.

Mushrooms I Alaska, some of these other plants are a bit more chaotic and feminine and expression, which can make it very challenging to focus. And it does vary by individual. And from my cosmology, it also matters how how expressive they are in their masculine energy versus their feminine, and what that integration process is. So I don't know if it already came in capsules that you're talking about, I prefer to always get raw material for anything that I'm doing and make it from there. For the sheer fact of I don't know what other people are doing to anything. And their intentions may be great. However, when I get raw material, I can just capsule it myself, and create a system that is very functional and unique to me. This is cool. Thank you.

Unknown Speaker 26:01
Kole. This is Kevin, that was amazing. Thank you. I am completely

Kole 26:06
beautiful. Thank you so much, Kevin, coming up next to the stage. Alexander, thank you for joining us up here. Let me know that you consent for recording we are recording on stage. And then also any information about you or if you're looking to connect with anyone questions, comments, contributions. Welcome to the stage.

Unknown Speaker 26:27
Thank you. Yeah, I can send to be recorded. I'm just looking to connect with someone who has a bit more wisdom and experience than I do. I'm perhaps I guess you can say, someone to advise me on

Unknown Speaker 26:40
how to develop

Unknown Speaker 26:43
this kind of journey, I guess I want to call it I don't want to call it a trip or a high but I think it's journey. And you know, for improvement in creativity improvement and just life and psychology and, you know, the whole shebang? I guess

Unknown Speaker 27:00
my because I've been working quite a bit and thinking about it for a very long time.

Tah 27:04
Took the step. And I'm just curious the differences between, you know, mushrooms and plans. Of course, for theoretical reasons, I guess we're not supposed to say practical is illegal. But the differences with acid citric acid and, and mushrooms and how it affects you and the differences and experiences and how it can promote, you know, the well being of your mind and your mental health? Sure. Well, go ahead. First, firstly, I'd like to invite you, Alexander thank you for for jumping on, I'd like to invite you and anyone who's listening to this who's looking to get a handle on the very basics around psychedelics and how it affects and how it affects your body and how it works chemically, with your body. There's a website called Sapiens soup, it's SAP, i e, n, s, o up. Again, it's SAP i e, n, s o up soup, right Sapiens soup.com. And they have z on psychedelics and the basics on getting into psychedelics and seeing how these substances interact with your nervous system and the serotonin and how they affect the serotonin system and the other systems of the the the norepinephrine systems in your body to give you a psychedelic experience. So it's really getting intimate with that process and seeing how that works in your body, you can start to align yourself with the dietary situation before you go on a trip during your water situation, your electrolytes, stacking certain things beforehand,

can get you into a space where you really start to learn about these things, I always recommend people go in and really start to understand how you work physiologically with these things. Because it can affect how deep you can go it can affect how gentle things are also leaning into the like Kole was saying before having an ideal person for you, if you're going to lean into a trip sitter, space holder or a facilitator, a person who can actually guide you through this, making sure that you are in an environment that is quite safe. Making sure that you understand how these people the person that is with you around you will keep you save what the environment is like what the lighting is like, what what the paintings on the wall, and all of these things are really really important for your trip. So if your or your trip or your journey or your ceremony or whatever you'd like to call it, whatever you choose to call it, your experience. All of these things are really important. So arm yourself with some information around that I highly recommend jumping on that site and taking a look. Mm hmm. And also, part of our intention is we've realized that how much the need and the desire for this is so Tuesdays and Thursday mornings at 10am Central Time and the times are all in my bio. We specifically discuss bio hacking, supplementation, what kinds of mushrooms and adaptogens according to what somebody processes are, and that one so those two

Kole 30:00
We're more specific to like bio hacking science. And ultimately, we're looking to bridge the gap so that science is no longer even perceived as separate from mystical, because in ancient times, the scientists and the philosophers were the teachers and the mystics. And so those days are more specific to answering that question, or some of those smaller questions within your questions.

And then starting in the first weekend of May, which is this coming may 2020, we're gonna start doing our first hybrid events of imperson. And online, of basically teaching all of these concepts for the purpose of education, it really has to be presented in a linear fashion with frame framework and structure so that people can see how and why everything from environmental to what you ingest impacts every experience you have, and increasing that awareness, both in a psychedelic space and outside of it. Ultimately, the psychedelic space is what offers the new lens to view things, and then it's about integrating that lens in the day to day life. So if you want more info about that, it's The Psychedelic space.com, or it's in my bio on Instagram. I'm happy to jump on and talk to you more about that, because that would answer a lot of those questions as well. And otherwise, keep showing up for not only this, but in the psychedelic clubhouse, all of the varying panels and discussions and admins and moderators. This is an ongoing conversation that will answer all of those questions at least over time, our hope is to bring more structure through multi day trainings so that it's a bit more organized, so that people can really take it in. So I hope that gives you some more direction for now, Alexander. Yes, thank you very much. I appreciate it. Colin Tah. Thank you. I would like to say something real quick. Yeah, your your question has a lot of parts to it.

Lucrecia 32:06
But so well, LSD and mushrooms, they both act on the same receptors in the brain. So chemically, they're similar, even though the experiences are very different. And for me, working with chemical teachers versus the plant medicine on the phone guy is that I like working with things that come from Mother Nature, because there is consciousness to them. And there's a spirit that is with me throughout that journey, which I don't get the same experience with the chemical compounds like LSD or ketamine or MDMA

Unknown Speaker 32:45
is my two cents.

Unknown Speaker 32:48
Mm hmm. Thank you.

Drew Muse 32:52
Drew, did you have something? Oh, I just I just wanted to agree with Lucrecia. Like, I definitely prefer nature over

over lab just because there is that kind of special.

I don't know that's like she says spirit that is kind of in the plant. Naturally, that I'm not sure if man is currently capable of mimicking in any way.

Kole 33:18
For sure, and this is called speaking, I think that we can have both right, depending on what the intentions are. And trusting the self and the experience. There are certainly times that what I recognized my my brain needed is in my neurological components that were in the way they were attached in and combined like my my brain habits, that something like LSD can help shift the neurology, but I don't perceive that it can replace a mystical experience. So I think that

it isn't even necessary to compare them and just see them as two separate experiences entirely. And then coming back to the question of the self of what are we looking for? What's the intention? How do we feel called and trusting ourselves on our individual paths to get there, and I'm really excited for our next guest who I've really been thrilled to be in deeper conversations with doing amazing work in Utah in the NT agenne, like worship community and starting religious sex as far as bringing psilocybin to more folks in a freer capacity. So thank you much, so much, Steven, for joining us on stage. Give us a little bit about you, if you don't mind. And then just let me know you consent to be recorded, and I'd love to hear from you. Hi, Cole. Yeah, consent. And thank you, everyone. What a great conversation. So yeah, just two sentences about me. I started a church with psilocybin sacrament.

Stephen 34:54
A lot of that comes out of my experience as a lawyer and as

As a state senator fighting for LGBTQ rights, in that involve fighting against really the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, and then finding my way to psychedelics and just figure No, this is true religion. So that's a bit about me.

I'm just sitting here fist pumping everything that is said, what a tremendous discussion. Drew, I, just one more time want to underline what you said about intentions that they're important, but we don't want to make them so restrictive that they step on this experience that I mean, isn't that kind of why we're here is to experience stuff we maybe haven't even thought about. So I love that. And Cole, I really wanted to jump on stage to to ask you to expand on something you were saying. You were talking about developing a relationship with the entheogens.

You know, on the one hand, there's the Alan Watts, comment of you know, when you've received the message, hang up the phone, and I'm only four years in, I don't quite know what that means. Because every experience I have, is building on the experiences before it where I'm ready to receive more. And as you and I discussed once on the phone call, like, I feel like I'm kind of developing some gas and brakes and, and steering wheel,

Kole 36:28
where I feel like I am having a relationship. And that is allowing me to explore some spaces that are important. So if you wouldn't mind speaking more about that, I'd love to hear your your thoughts. mm Cole speaking Thank you, Steven. And I actually I'm going to start, I would also love to hear from tala Kasia Drew, as well, because I think this is going to vary. So the short answer from my own personal experience, they told me when I needed Not that I needed to take a break. But the message that I got in one of my experiences was look, you can continue to explore these outer realms, interdimensional realms, and all that is if you choose, but your work is in the third dimension right now. And so anything that you go to explore is for touristic purposes, basically. So I was welcome to do so out of curiosity, but that I would not find anything out there if I was seeking it, if that you know, translates. And so that being said, Now when there is a message and understanding or something, they tell me, and that comes in the in dreams. So the last message that I got was about a month ago. And the message was I was in my dream. And mind you I've been now in this almost 14 years in a therapeutic explorative different lineages and tribes and different plants and all over the world. So I have explored a lot of different cosmologies. And about a month ago now or whatever it was almost a month ago, in a dream, I was in a clear dream. And then there was a separation from the dream. That said, you need to do 10 grams of B plus, at this time within this timeframe. And they I saw a screenshot of how I needed to set up my space, including my crystals, including my power objects, and a lot of my jewelry I wear are for my protection spiritually, mentally, emotionally. And I got a clear image of that. And then I've carried on through my dream, almost like I tried to avoid it. And then like I didn't want to think about it. And then it came back right as I was waking up, it told me specifically again, in the last in like the last word of my dream, I needed to do 10 grams of B plus and it needed to be now and the message I got was there something that your body needs for this next phase to come. And so now for me to go into those spaces, I get a very clear message or enough synchronicities that it's time for me to be shown something. But for me personally, it is very clear that this is why I've never related to being a shaman. I am not a shaman, I am a facilitator of the third dimension, and creating education. And so for me, it's my purpose is quite clear. And so in going with like the Alan Watts ideology that may have been, you know, you get the message, but what message in what context from who and for how long? We get messages every day? Do we just hang up on everything? No, because sometimes it's an ongoing conversation after the message. So I think that it's an individual experience to reflect upon. And if you find yourself year after year, weekend after weekend, it's asking yourself, what are you looking for? Because what I see is when people stay in it in a conscious

In exploration of outer realms, it is still an escape of the life that they are not taking control of, to create a life, they don't have to, to escape. And so for for a lot of my clients that have come to me and they say, wow, I got to talk to the palladiums on the, you know, whatever moon at this time, and I'm like, great, when are you going to have that conversation with your mom around those boundaries around that, you know, situations. And so we have to also take radical self responsibility for action to create in the third dimension, why? Because our ancestors, our political system, our financial system, all exists here. And so to go out there and say, that's the only work to do is a bunch of horseshit, from my perspective, because there is a lot to do in this third dimension. So unless you are specifically the messenger of the, you know, have the intellectual will say property of other

realms, fine. But the rest of us, we got shit to do. So I'm interested in

collaborating with people here to make change in the third dimension, because of the esoteric mystical components that we've all been illuminated to. This is cool, and I am complete.

Drew Muse 41:21
Wow, cool. Um, me and my friends are listening to you speak. And we were like, Kole and Tah have to eat the best speakers and listeners I've ever, like interacted with in a long, very, very long time. If not, thank you. Yeah, but I definitely definitely resonate with you, Cole, like,

I've gone on a lot of trips. And as much as I want to be picked up in a spacecraft, and taken away from all of these things that are going on, on this planet, as a human being in this experience. I get overwhelmed, sometimes, but like you, like you did say like, it's kind of you're going as a visitor, like you're, they're showing you OSI, like, I remember one time I had a trip, and I realized, like,

the, cuz sometimes I feel like I have very high expectations of what my experience is supposed to be right now on this earth. And I'm often disappointed by that. But what I learned through a trip was like, This life is preparing you for something that's bigger. And so while you're here, you have this opportunity, in this chance to be a light in somebody's life, to help to assist to guide to teach, to learn to be a student, you know, and so that's what I was shown in an experience. And then so it kind of changed my perspective of what to expect, and to kind of, to kind of maybe not expect certain things, but like, create something and not attach yourself to the outcome, to to love somebody, without the expectation of being loved back to experience something that may make you feel very uncomfortable, but it's just for the experience. And so that's kind of something that that's something that I learned while

wild tripping and so it kind of it kind of allowed me to kind of surrender just to the experience and to kind of stop looking for for more, because you have the ability to create, the more that you want.

Kole 43:35
If you choose to, maybe I don't know if that makes sense. But totally. And I'm completely, totally. And you know, one of the things I didn't realize this is Cole speaking, one of the things I didn't realize I had played with everything on this planet except for money. So you know what I directed my attention to these last two years, learning the art of money and the skill of money. And I even realized, just like someone that hasn't experienced high dose psilocybin, if you haven't experienced high dose performance, that gets you financial gain, then you have not explored this dimension fully either. And so I know that we can have all of it as far as the expression of abundance that we learn in these other dimensions and the full wholeness of who we are. And I was doing it in every way except for some of the rules of the third dimension. So I'm about breaking those ones or transmuting or changing them. What about Utah? What has been your experience as far as how much or when or once you get the message hanging up the phone, Alan Watts, thoughts?

Tah 44:43
Well, I'm always getting the message and for me, my explorations with psychedelics have been about

the cohesion with myself and all things. And when I have been exploring the idea of letting go of my separation from everything

When I lean into that space, I fall into a very, when I go into a psychedelic space, it's a very feminine experience. There's a letting go, and, and an accepting of being cohesive with everything. And so in that space, I'm learning that this three dimensional realm is part of whatever higher realm or lower realm that people are always referring to. This is all part of a collective experience. And my experience of this is just as important as anything that people would consider a higher self or a higher realm, in outer realm, or the next step, this piece is is this, this polarization, I consider myself as a human being a polarization, a very

structured and focused part of the universe of the everything of God of existence of imagination. And when I moved from that space, every person that's on this panel, every person that's in this room, every person that's touching a device, or that the electronics from the device is coming through, and hearing and contributing energy to me, there's a flow back and forth. So when I, when I, when I realized that and recognize that all of these ideas that I have around being a human being all of the ideas I have around, evil or good, all of these are stories that are creating the experience that I have. And in the experience that I have, I share this experience with other people like yourselves who are all here listening, and I become intimate with the process. So I'm deeply embedded in the participating as this individual you recognize this talk, and stepping back and observing how ta interacts with everything else, and is a part of the cohesive system situation is going on. And psychedelics have been a space that have allowed me to open up that expansion and that realization in a deeper space. So that's where I go when I'm with that. I hope that answers your your query. Mm hmm. Thank you. Lucrezia. What are your thoughts? Oh, I don't want to get and if you don't want to get philosophical, hit my

hit my my image and go down and hit 22999 and put tie in and get my information and let's talk about this stuff.

Lucrecia 47:08
Hi, this is Lucrezia. So for me, it all boils down to the Why? Why am I doing that specific plant or that specific journey with that specific facilitator or on a solo journey, and I've, I've used it a lot for transformation. I've used it a lot for healing, both physically and emotionally, and spiritually, and also to explore different states of consciousness and, you know, go into outer space and beyond and meet my spirit guides. So, but, um, and I promised myself as, as long as I didn't use it, as an escape.

I will be okay. So I constantly keep checking in with myself. And going back to the why, why are you doing this other journey? Do you need to do it? Yes or no? And based on that, I go from there. Eating I'm complete. Mm hmm. How is that Steven? Hey, I got the message. And I'm, I'm hanging up and listening. This was phenomenal. Thank you all.

Kole 48:18
Yes, thank you. Thank you, Steven. And like we talked about before anything that I can help with my story. And because you know, my connection to the state of Utah, let's do this because I am all in

Next up, Astro. If you haven't checked out his site, I'm just telling you go check it out. Go get a hoodie shit is dope. I'm just telling you right now go pop over there. Have a look. Someone wants to buy me one too. I'll I will happily received because they're dope.

Unknown Speaker 48:54
Welcome to the stage. I'd love to have you share a little bit about you. And then questions, comments, and let me know you consent to be recorded.

Astro 49:03
Hey, cool. This is Astro. I'm a second night I've been training for some years with the plant. I got major understanding. Um, I just got my certificate with with Matt.

I do consent to be recorded as well. Um, I apologize. But yeah, I just got my certificate with maps as well. I'm here just enjoying the vibe I love. I'm a big fan of cool. So I follow her and support whatever she does. I'm here just to answer questions or give any thoughts I can give. At this moment, I was just vibing. And also I want to answer to that last question, um, about mixing both worlds. I just, I think it's more so about for me, is bringing that number rounds into this world, you know, creating that space for yourself that you no longer have to travel. You know, right now I'm an artist. Our next stage is to build a temple. You

So I can, it's already a sacred place when you walk in. So I no longer have to keep escaping, you know, the energies remain in there, or textfield, wherever I'm creating. So it's all about transitioning your life into the higher self where you got a choice, you can keep remaining, participate in 3d, or you can bring the 50 into the 3d.

And that's what where I'm at with it right now.

Kole 50:24
That's all I have, huh? Thank you for that. And that is really the thing, you know, look, if you would have told Todd nine, four years ago that we'd be living in Texas. All right, that would have been a that would have been a strong No, of course, if you're asking us right now in a snowstorm with like, no bathrooms and shit, we might say, No.

However, what we found is when I started to take what I was learning and being shown, and how important my environment was, then we were like, Alright, well, then it's time to make moves. Because for whatever reason, the environment that we were in, was, we were not growing man, like, we worked long hours, Todd was working at the hospital nights, Personal Training in the morning, emceeing on the weekend, or DJing parties or whatever. So we were always working, but we never had any money, all of our money was going to credit card bills and interest and all this stuff, we were caught up in the matrix. And so we started to go Alright, so what needs to change, this is where we want to be, this is where we are. But where we are, this is not working. So we got to do something different. And so through the exploration in the plant space, and asking for daily signs, not just when we're journeying, not just when, to me, it's like a relationship when we started to create our whole life, like you just said, Astro. Like with the same intention, ality and respect and reverence we were taking to those experiences. That's when it started to change when we started to draw boundaries and tell people what we're willing to tolerate, and bring intentionality to our body and our physicality and not just cleaning up the diet, the day of a journey, because that's what we're supposed to do to be respectful. It's like what about what divinity we are expressing through the body that is our vehicle of the moment of right now. And when we started to really see how we were showing up, the the honest truth was, we were not being honest, radically honest in showing up for the stuff that we knew. And when we when we really started to show up for what these plants taught us. That's when I feel like the respect actually started was when we started to show these plants these spirits. Yes, you teach me I teach you show me I show. Like I exhibit the things that you tell me you teach me about love and first self acceptance and learning to tolerate myself so I could tolerate other people. So I could see my hurt and recognize when someone else is hurt, they're projecting it on me. But until I started to perform on a daily basis, the lessons we were being taught to me that is the ultimate disrespect to these plants and spirits. Everyone can sit and say all this, about preparing and making sure you fast, that's all nice. But if you're if you're not practicing the teachings that these spirits and plants and teacher substances have, then to me that's the greatest insult of all, you know, is to not follow through with what we're shown. I just went on a little bit of a rant there. Let me reel it back in. That was perfect. I was perfect come down to like, what are you willing to sacrifice? And how much discipline Are you willing to apply? Well, and you know what, Astro even sacrifice? Even the idea that we have to sacrifice is a human construct, versus just saying, You know what, I know what I want. And this shit is no longer in alignment with what I want. So it's not a sacrifice, right? Because it's not gonna work. Right. And so it's like, tonight's conscious

choice. Correct? Because that's empowerment. If I'm sacrificing, I'm still losing. Right? That's still saying I can't have it all losses? No, totally. And that is deficit based mindset. Mm hmm. Look, we're all getting in on well. And if we were all in the room right now, we start chest bumping and screaming and stuff.

Yeah, but this is the reality is that the more that we adhere to the human idea that we have to sacrifice for that to have what we want, then we will always lose money to make to grow our business, we will not have health if we're in a good relationship, or will think we can't have love and wealth. All of these mean that we can't have all the things that we want. And to me that is not that's not functional either. And so the for me when I look at the idea of sacrifice versus empowered choice, that this is what I want. So this has to go I didn't stop smoking cigarettes because it was the right thing to do. I did it because I wanted to increase my lung capacity because I was doing high intensity interval training and it was in my way, and so I chose it's not

I got to quit smoking like it's happening to me. I said, Alright, cool. I love smoking cigarettes. I love tobacco, tobacco has been a master teacher plant for me and a massive ally. And at times, the only reason I'm still alive is because of cigarettes. So I'm not going to sit and downplay it or shame around the gift, those were, I grew up, I evolved to where they could not fit in the picture full time, I'll still sit down and pull off a cigarette, intentionally. And when we increase, like you said, from the gate, when we increase intentionality, and start creating a life, we don't have to escape. That's when the real fun with the plants begin when they say, Hey, cool, I need to talk to you come here. That's when you get to see the real fun shit is when you stop getting in your own way.

Drew Muse 55:49
I totally, absolutely agree with you like, and, and what you said about tobacco. Like that's about everything in your life, that's about your friendships, that's about your personal relationships that's like about the foods that you're eating the time, the way that you're spending your time like is, is the time that I am spending the minutes that I know that I will not get back Are they being spent purposefully.

And that's something I choose to be aware of, because it feels it feels good to be mindful with my time because my time is very valuable. And learning the value of your time is very, is something that I realized. And that really brought me to a space where it's like, okay, you're going to be on Earth, hopefully you live to be 8090 100. But in that time, that's still a short period of time, you know, so like, what do you want to do in that time, you can do so much in that time. But it's also such a short amount of time, just to put it into perspective. I'm like, my mom was like, I'm really old. And I was like, think about how old a rock is like, You're like a, you're like a snap compared to a rock a Brock's been here for a million years. And then she was like, I've never thought of it that way. And I was like rocks, rocks, or they have like just that connection to nature. It's so funny when I'm talking to people. And they're like, what,

Tah 57:11
that's where I go to and think about it a step deeper. All of the things that you've consumed to create your body are of this planet, and all of them have been broken down and recycled for millennia over and over again, to create the body that you're walking in. There is nothing about any of us in this room that is not ancient, and fan tastic, we are all part of this planet. And when you recognize that every element that has created, every part of your body has been utilized by something else at some point. That's where you start to really understand the magnificence of how long we have been here. And the substances and the things that we utilize, we just readjust recycling ourselves over and over again. So I mean, when you consider this, this body that you're living in, if you think that 70 or 80 years is a long time, it's not it's a it's a it's a blink of an eye in the scope of this planet. You also made up a star there. So we go way, way back. So

Kole 58:10
way back. I'm just going to start saying that I'm ancient AF, that's going to be my new. My first thing now, Lackawanna, you've been super patient hanging out, we'd love to hear your thoughts, ideas, let me know you can send to be recorded. And I'd love to hear a little bit about you questions, comments, or contributions?

Trying to get out of the different space. You're all good work. we've, we've all been talking about trying to get out of the different space. Welcome to the stage. Thank you very much. So I got

Unknown Speaker 58:50
kind of a specific question.

Unknown Speaker 58:53
I just wanted to know

Unknown Speaker 58:57
if you guys had any

Unknown Speaker 59:00
places to point me

Unknown Speaker 59:02
in, it's a healing question like what, what do you guys suggest when it comes to healing from past psychedelic events? Like I've had, I was young and dumb, and I made some pretty bad choices when I was younger.

Unknown Speaker 59:18
while under the influence of certain substances, and you know, I was arrested and put in rehab and things like that. All while I was beginning my journey with LSD. And it's something that I've just recently recognized as

Unknown Speaker 59:34
something that's within me, like just the trauma from that. And I was wondering what you guys have to say on that. Thanks, huh? Thank you. So here's something to consider if you were going to make up nobody knows yourself like you do. Nobody, no one else on this planet, and even maybe other planets or dimensions. If you were going to make up what it would look like for you to heal from

Kole 1:00:00
past experience, if you were just going to make something up, do you know what an experience could look like that would make it feel to you, like you mended a relationship or was able to let go of past things that happen?

Unknown Speaker 1:00:17
Like, can I envision what it would be like to, like forgive? No, just make up what an experience could look like that would make you feel like you let the past stuff go. I

Unknown Speaker 1:00:29
never really tried that. So just for shits and giggles, let's try it for a second, because you've probably heard enough conversations on psychedelics, that in hearing other people's experiences, if you were just going to make it up without putting thought into it, do you have an idea of what it could look like?

Unknown Speaker 1:00:46
Me like freedom of anxiety and just like true confidence.

Kole 1:00:52
So do you know would that be alone? Would that be with another person? Do you know what plant or substance would feel most supportive to you?

Unknown Speaker 1:01:02
Yeah, I believe psilocybin would, because I've, like I've always used it in, like recreational purposes. And I've never actually set intentions before I've done anything, so definitely be with psilocybin. And are you talking about human people?

Kole 1:01:21
Whatever resonates for you human people, animal people? Yeah, definitely want to be in nature. And it'd be cool to experience it with my wife.

Unknown Speaker 1:01:32
So have you ever had this conversation with your wife?

Unknown Speaker 1:01:36
Yeah, not very deeply about it.

Kole 1:01:41
So what if you sat down with your wife? And just had an imagination? conversation of what what would she envision what would because she's not going to have the same experience as you. And maybe she's not comfortable to explore with you yet. But she'd be comfortable to be there. What if step one was just sitting down and having just an honest conversation with your wife on what it would be? What your concerns would be in? What could come up? How she could support you if something came up? Or what would it look like if you if you didn't think about what you didn't want? If you didn't think about anxiety, or past memories coming up? What would you want the experience to look like? If you wanted it in nature? And you imagined it perfectly in your mind? Just as a as an exploration of imagination? What would would you be open to just sitting down and starting there with her to see what comes up?

Unknown Speaker 1:02:46
You're muted. I don't know if other Oh, sorry about that. You hear me now? Yes. Yeah, no, that's a great piece of advice. I never really because I've had like, I've had issues with

Unknown Speaker 1:03:00
regulating my substance intake, if you will. And so that's always an issue as well. Currently, not drinking, but I am using the plant create them as like a maintenance.

Kole 1:03:14
Like, so that always becomes an issue. You know, there's it's always like, oh, you're just good. You just want to use the substance just to? Yes, I do. Look you're talking to just to give you a little bit of content context. 20 years ago, I was the face of partnership for drug free America. I did the Montel Williams show and all the national talk shows, I was the staple face of, Hey, kids, don't get into drugs. Look at me. Now I'm in recovery. Like I was the face of all of that stuff. So that has been a lot of work to unravel the once an addict, always an addict mentality. And here's the first place that it's going to require you start as Be mindful of your language, the always see, that's always that's always a thing. Part of deciding now and bringing intentionality is to decide where you start the dosage. And then when someone's had a substance abuse history with of whatever kind, the important thing is going to be having someone to hold you accountable to rules. Now, I'm going to preface for anyone listening. I am not suggesting supporting or advising that anyone was substance abuse get into psychedelics, without a skilled practitioner therapist, someone that can walk them through, because it is intricate, but the thing is, it's not the substance. It's intricate. It's the self shame, the cycles of self shame, create more disconnect, more disconnect creates more depression, more depression means not wanting to feel and so self medication. So all of that to be said, anyone that hasn't read hungry ghosts by Gabor Ma Tei. I highly recommend that you do. Now going back to your imagination if you didn't think about all the things you just thought about.

Which were all negative base towards you, which is a neurological habit.

If you were to say, the perfect one time with your wife one time, start with one. If you were to imagine the perfect one time just based off of your imagination, just make it up for me right now just a short, what would it look like a psilocybin journey with your wife just once?

Like a freedom, I guess is the word that comes to mind walk me through the scene of where not where you go, specific location. But if you were outside, what would you Where would you be as a location? What would you be doing for you to know that you weren't even free? What would let you know you were connected and that you felt safe to actually paint a picture for me of what you would be doing with your wife that would make you feel like you were free. And you were connected, and you were healed?

Unknown Speaker 1:05:57
We sitting on a river on a rock while the river like rolls around us. Hmm, that sounds nice. Yeah, just talking hanging out. Is the sun shining? Or is it cloudy? Yeah, it's definitely shine. Huh? Nice. So is this a big stream? Or is this more like a Brook? It's a big stream. Okay. Did you take any food with you? Do you have backpacks? What's the What do you have with you? We just got a blanket. Nice. So is this a blank water? Nice, good, good things to have for sure. So with the blanket in the water, are you laying on the banks? Are you kind of sitting in the waters within the on the rocks? Like, like, what I'm imagining is like big boulders sitting within like a river? fast? or slow? Yeah.

Kole 1:06:46
Semi medium, I guess like some rapids over there. But then it rolls out into a nice calm pool. What is your wife's face doing right now?

Unknown Speaker 1:06:58
In this vision? Well, really?

Kole 1:07:02
If you look at her, and you're in this perfect experience, what is her face doing?

Unknown Speaker 1:07:12
kind of looking in judgment? Looking at judgment. Hmm. So your head? That's what your perfect day looks like? Is she's looking at you with judgment.

Unknown Speaker 1:07:25
No, no.

Unknown Speaker 1:07:26
All

Kole 1:07:28
right, so this is what I want to dive in? Because I haven't had that open conversation yet. Well, no, those are rules, because I haven't we're in your imagination of the future. This is the the you're set, you're already saying what she's saying and what you haven't done. But it's your imagination, you get to create how you want. So here's your opportunity.

Tah 1:07:48
There your your mind, because of past experiences and judgments,

immediately goes to the What's wrong with you, if she's looking at you, right? So where the opportunity is, is how can you create the image in your mind of the experience, and then you have to actually allow yourself to have it. And that's where the honest conversation with your wife of what your fear is, your fear is that you'd be sitting, and I'm not saying this is but this is a potential part of the conversation is sitting and saying, you know what, the thing that I realized is I'm scared that you're gonna judge me, or you're gonna, you know, be be concerned about me. So what are your feelings on this type of exploration and let her honestly share, because it is going to take some time and some tools for your mind not to auto respond with something that has to do with being wrong with something being wrong with you. And that is that is the plight of substance abuse is there's a lot of social dogma and rules when someone has done

things outside of what is considered quote unquote, normal, which really, we'll just call functional, because I know plenty of MDS and physicians that have very low key secret substance abuse issues. So for you, something worth exploring is some mindset opportunities like around NLP, neuro linguistic programming, to start changing some of the language you use with yourself, because your language is very limiting. because it keeps saying always the very definitive statements, there are going to make it very hard for you to change. Because even if, as you start to find like the sunlight of hope, there's still some part of your mind that's going to default to what you can't have because you have always done this or this always happens. So something worth exploring would be like NLP. And then just start first with having a conversation so honest with your wife, about what you would like to explore and you to put your head

together on what it would need to look like, if you were using these experiences mindfully, intentionally and with consideration of your past, not the rules of, and I just want to jump in here with you, thank you Kole for sharing so openly and thank you Lackawanna for being so vulnerable to go through that exercise with coal. You know, there there is a lot to your language that I wanted to bring up a couple of things, that I invite you to reframe. And having a conversation with your wife is amazing. The conversation with yourself is that is the beginning point. That's the start point. You said that you made bad choices, and that you were young and dumb, when you made choices around substances. And when for me and the work that I've done with, with hundreds and hundreds of people moving from a gratitude space of all the things that have happened in your life, and changing how you speak about them are really important when you're looking to change how your relationship to substances. So the substances that you imbibed in when you were younger, when you considered yourself young and dumb, have led you to this moment right now. And I don't consider them young and dumb, I consider them maybe they were out of a space of your awareness of your of the consequences of your actions. And maybe they weren't, they weren't in direct alignment with what you wanted to happen. Now that you're in a space of awareness, those substances have helped you to get to this space of awareness. Your choices have helped you to get to this space of awareness. So moving into those experiences and understanding them with gratitude is a reframe that has helped me tremendously in my life. And the people that Colin I work with tremendously in their lives, the experiences that you've gone through have led you to your wife, do you enjoy your time with your wife? Do you enjoy your wife?

Yes, absolutely. So this is this is an if you did not experience the substances and stuff that you did when you were younger, you may not have gotten to the place where you are, and so ritualizing and making everything that you do slowing everything down and becoming intimate with everything with With the cradle, you know, how, if you're taking freedom, how long does it take to set into your system? You know, what do you feel you journaling this stuff? Are you really getting intimate with these things? Are you asking yourself the questions around these, and D stigmatizing the bad choices? The substances or bad things that I did in the past? were bad that I am always whatever, like Kole was saying, Can you remove these things and reprogram yourself, this is a space that I invite you if you microdose or if you go into a trip space, or journey space or a ceremony space to explore reprogramming the new language into your body and into your psyche around these things. And I just wanted to add that on to what Kole was saying. Thank you for being so open to share with us. Yeah, okay, good. I just want to say, Be kind to yourself, and forgive yourself, bro. I mean, that's the first step because you got to appreciate your past. Yes, get to your future. But be kind to yourself, bro.

Unknown Speaker 1:13:06
Yeah, I felt that like, Guys, you were talking talk. I was like, like, I wasn't young and dumb. I actually was just on educated, like I just didn't know really know any better. And that's probably a good waste. weird place to start. Yeah, you know, becoming intimate with your awareness. What am I aware of? Am I aware of the room? Am I aware of my past? Am I aware of how I thought about my past and what was going on with me. I know, as a young man, I was not aware of anything. And I was doing things just, you know, off of whims and what I was told and programmed to do. And now that I'm aware of things, I can make differences. And I can make choices that that will affect me. And I understand the consequences. I lean into understanding more consequences. And it's having dialogues like this that helped you to open yourself up. So Bravo for being here. And thank you for everything you've endured in your life to get you to this very moment for you to explore what you're looking to explore. Thank you, it helps us all on this planet, when we do this, this type of exploration. So thank you, I applaud you. Mm hmm. Yes, yes. And thank you, Astro. Because that really, that that self forgiveness that he's just talking about is everything. So I changed my diet, my lifestyle left a toxic marriage. And that resolved 65% of the symptoms and diseases that I had, and that were expressing in my body. And the last 35% was self hate and self loathing. And that was the big that was the majority of my Fibromyalgia was how hard I was on myself. And so the plants, one in one of my experiences with fungi, the message I got was that if I didn't change the way I thought about myself, I was going to get leukemia, because the depth that I hated myself was molecular and that I was going to kill myself from the inside out. And that was heavy. I thought I just had a regular run of the mill self hate that everybody had

Kole 1:15:00
But there was a deep because of some things that happened as a child, the way that I internalized the shame of sexual experiences starting at eight, that created a self loathing that was deep. And so I think that a lot of people now you've been a huge gift to share the way that you did. This is one of the most powerful way we learn from each other, is to really see each other. And I do want to take that extra moment to really honor you. And thank you for giving us all the opportunity to not only self reflect, but to witness courage and bravery. So thank you for that. Amen. Thank you, brother.

Unknown Speaker 1:15:39
Absolutely, I thank you guys. I mean, that's something I appreciate you paying attention to my language because I wasn't even really aware of it. Like, I just go into talking shit on myself without even realizing it. Just kind of it's like that programming and trying to deprogram like that might be along with the word freedom, maybe like a deprogramming of how I view myself. And that's something that I did recognize, like, maybe two or three years ago about, like, my self esteem. And then I started recognizing, like, where it came from, and you know, in the past and all that, and it's just, I'm just looking for some relief in talking like this and hearing you guys. It helps man, and I appreciate it. Appreciate the space you've built. Mm hmm.

Kole 1:16:22
Yeah, and it's the path we've been on. And I can pretty much guarantee that even though the self deprecation and putting yourself down is a bit of a habit, I'm sure it's served you in many times, because I'm sure you have a killer sense of humor, I have a stellar sense of humor, it's a coping mechanism from trauma. The beautiful thing is, as it's evolved, I've recognized it's no longer necessary to put myself down as a part of my humor. And so it was just an opportunity to decide what do I want my current

experience to be in my life. And so what's going to have to change that's it not better, I am not looking to be my higher self, my better self, I am looking for my infinite self, which means ever evolving and opening and expansive. So there is no end higher is still a measurement in because of the English language we use. Higher is still a hierarchy, where if I say my infinite self, that means anything is possible, and there is no judgement, I could be infinitely depressed, I could be infinitely joyful. When I removed the judgement of it, then I leave the potential for all things and the, the articulation of divinity is all things, it's not all things that are convenient, easy or have higher, you it is all things. So thank you so much. Drew, did you have something you wanted to share? Um, yeah, I just wanted to put a little emphasis on the fact that these choices to become our higher selves is always a practice. And so we may revert back, we may still continue to do fall back into our old habits, but the practice is to try and not judge that, to try and always be a space in knowing that you are evolving, and therefore, you, you may mess up, you know, you or I'm not even gonna say mess up, you may forget.

And so it's just, it's just about how many times and how many opportunities, you have to remind yourself of the path that you are on. So I just want to give you that little piece of advice that helped me along the way, because there were times where I was like, Drew, you know, better than this, but it's like, that sounds like abuse.

Drew Muse 1:18:43
And it's like, my goal is to become,

like you said, infinite. So it's gonna be a journey. And some days are going to be easier than the others, like, today was a bit of a rough day for me. But I made a choice to go to the beach this morning and meditate and ground myself and do a little micro dose and just sit out there and watch the waves and just reflect and I'm actually been having a wonderful day ever since then. So it's all about the the little choices that we make. There's a book called the compound effect. I forgot who the author is, but if you look up the compound effect, it'll come up. But it just talks about how our compounded habits, create new behaviors, and how those all start off as practices. And so it's just about the small choices that we make, you know, like, for instance, someone who drinks coke every day, if they drink coke seven days a week, maybe next week, they drink coke six days a week, you know. So it's just about the tiny choices that we make that and that add up to humongous life shifts, and

and that's something that I also reflected on as well like, from where I started from the beginning of my journey to where I am now. 11 years later, I

completely different person having changed and been reborn 100 times over.

Kole 1:20:05
So I just wanted to leave you with that piece of ice and this is true. Oh the beach. Right? We're saying nevermind ice storm and Texas like what the entire we got water spraying out of pipes and

oh no I'm sorry Why enjoy the beach on your behalf, please, I want you to I do not dim your sunshine for my ice storm over here because I assure you one week from today it says it'll be 70 and I'll be out there in full sell. I'm actually I'm in full celebration now because we have heat. All right, there's a lot of people in Austin right now that do not have heat. So there's not there is nothing being taken for granted. Over here. I have internet y'all. I got clubhouse right now. So I'm fully expanding into this joy yes baby. And not to cut you off. Cool, I have to go I have a client that I need to to go chat with. I want to thank you all for being here. I appreciate your time, your consideration your love and your exploration. I encourage you to follow all of the people that are up here on the stage and and follow each other down in the audience really get to know the people who are curious about the things that you are curious about. This is how we create community. This is how we learn from one another. All of the people up here talking have their experience spaces. And we are all still learning to. So please get to know Pete the people that are in the room, click on their profiles, jump on their Instagram, see what they're doing in their lives and see what deeply connects for you. These may be the next people that you trip with the next people that you connect with the next people that you bump into. So thank you for your time. I love you. I'm about to be out of here. I gotta go. I'll talk to you soon. Love you. Thank you. Thank you.

Love you. Love you. I'll come sneak in and give you a kiss in a minute. All right. Melanie, thank you so much for your time, your attention here on the stage, you've been with us pretty much the entire time, I think. So thank you for your attention and intention. We'd love to hear from you. Just let me know that you can send to be recorded. Give us a little bit about you. And then we'd love to hear your question comment contribution, magical powers or whatever. We love it all bring it on.

Melanie 1:22:15
Thank you so much Cole. I do consent to recording.

Honestly, I just hopped in because I have your little bell illuminated because you know, versus I popped in near one of your first rooms, or one of the first rooms that I popped into that was yours. I was like, Oh my gosh, I love her energy. I love her mission.

So yeah, just kind of wanted to be here. I was getting a pedicure earlier and just you know, listening and hanging out here. So um, I also just wanted to

just kind of like second what everyone was saying, I think he just left the stage. Lackawanna though, everything that he was sharing, you know, you're not alone, you're not the only person that has experienced something like that, um, you know, I myself, you know, when I was 15 1617 did tons of drugs and psychedelics and, you know, without intention, and you know, I crashed my Cobra Mustang five different times while on psychedelics and MDMA. So, you know, we've all been there. I mean, I know a lot of us have probably been there. And you know, it's just a matter of, of growing, and I never regret it, I look, look back on it, as, you know, a huge lesson it, it taught me, you know, how to properly use things, how to not properly use things that honestly had to happen to really illuminate How I wish to show up in the world. And that is to, you know, be more mindful of the choices I make and the way that I use things. And,

you know, maybe I wouldn't be in the place where I am now where I can consciously and intentionally use these substances and medicines for my expansion if I hadn't been that 16 year old, you know, lying to my parents and

you know, eating a bunch of mushrooms and eating some ecstasy pills. And then when they say come home right now, what got in the car drove home, like, you know, so I just wanted to say thank you Lackawanna, for, again for your vulnerability and your bravery and sharing and being here. Because you know, we love you, and we're here to support you. And yeah, I just love this room. And I love all of you. And yeah, I just kind of wanted to be here to listen and hang out with you guys. I'm done. Thank you. Yeah, this is Today's been a beautiful gift. And we're gonna get to this last question for today. We meet every Wednesday at 4pm Central Time, which is 5pm. Eastern time. For different variations of this conversation. Part of the reason I'm recording it is I'm keeping a little bank because I'm going to be turning this into its own podcast so that as you you know, if you're if you're not able to tune in live, you can go back and hear the recordings. In addition to that I can get them transcribed.

Kole 1:25:00
So that those that have different hearing limitations than us who are currently here may have can also either read the transcripts, I'm also going to be interviewing for some sign language folks so that I can do some video and just to bring more accessibility to the space and because through website, in building a website, I'll be able to bring the these conversations to more folks, which is really important because there's some incredible AI technology out there that can help support accessibility, once it's off of clubhouse. So I am taking the initiative to ensure that we can bring it to more spaces.

If you're interested in collaborating or helping me with this, I will create a subscription model where it'll basically someone can contribute five or $10 a month through my kajabi site, which is my website, just to help pay to bring accessibility because everyone's talking about what are quote unquote, we're going to do, I'm going to tell you what I'm doing, if you're willing to jump in on that and help bring it to more communities. That's my intention. So hit me up in the background. If that resonates, as always, if you pull to refresh, you can see the moderators still left up on the panel, you can hit that little green house next to the psychedelic club house. I'm here officially three times a week. But I basically live on this app at this point. So you'll see me a good majority of the time anyway, I will be doing another show probably just once or twice a month with Dr. Dave Rubin.

Tah 1:26:34
And we're going to be interviewing more shaman io boschetto was quoting detto is different lineages from all over the world so that we can be sharing different lenses, and so that whatever you're willing to contribute to, whether it's the shipibo tribe in the jungle, whether it's some of the tribes in Africa or North America or South America, it's again everyone following their heart. And that includes your financial heart, your spiritual heart, your physical bodies, heart. So that is a little bit more from me. And for this last question for the day, I want to thank in thinking that so you know, I'm getting tired. Thank you, ru for being so patient. And thank you for joining us here on clubhouse, I see that you're brand spanking new here to play with us in this amazing app. If you've seen us tapping the microphone on and on, off and on like this.

Kole 1:27:35
That's how we applause here on clubhouse that's for anyone that may be tuning in live, as well. And then to unmute your mic, you can hit that bottom right corner that will unmute you let me know you are good and consent to be recorded. Share a little about you and let us know your question. This is Bruce speaking. And I consent to being recorded. Thank you Kole for having this platform and just for offering your service just from listening to everybody today, your feedback. It's been really inspirational. So I have a bit of a experience I want to share as I'm still processing through it just a couple of weekends ago, like shells and stuff from the getting a couple I've been assisting. And I was skipped over the past couple of years. And through this work. I have met some other people that I got to know a little bit better. And one of them is a

Unknown Speaker 1:28:27
guide. So he sits for people he's not licensed, but he does it for people and administers MDMA, psilocybin acid. And

Unknown Speaker 1:28:37
we had

Unknown Speaker 1:28:39
I helped assist in Atlanta wasco journey, maybe a few months back. And from this he had like this vision of he wanted to get myself and two other women together for a journey that he would

Unknown Speaker 1:28:53
help her basically it was like a blind day he thought that we could all learn from each other. He had mentioned that we all have similar backgrounds. We're Asian. We both have similar like father issues. And so he felt that myself, this woman, Jyoti new, and this one other women who had never met to come together for journey, and it was more of like a just an experiment. And so I went and had this journey with them. And it's something that I'm still working through because it was a bit traumatic for me. So

Unknown Speaker 1:29:39
we were out in

Unknown Speaker 1:29:41
Long Island at this woman's house who I know

Unknown Speaker 1:29:48
I've gotten to know over time from from journeying

Unknown Speaker 1:29:52
and we had MDMA and psilocybin and it was my first time working with this combination

Unknown Speaker 1:30:00
And

Unknown Speaker 1:30:02
I mean, in hindsight, there were a lot of red flags but, or a lot of things that just weren't kosher. But right away this this woman that I had not known, she was she had been experiencing tremors. And I just like went over there to help her, I just started placing my hand on her heart and just to help her calm down. And like, as soon as we took the medicine, we were just on autopilot, we were just like, talking to each other, touching each other. And it was mostly myself and this other woman that we're communicating the woman I didn't know. But I felt this like kinship and just like this karmic connection with her. And

Unknown Speaker 1:30:38
I wasn't gonna just add all them. And so they've done a little bit more work. So this woman, she helped me release a lot of stuff. And I had gone into this, this journey with my intention of being able to freely express my rage as that's something that I've been working on just anger.

Unknown Speaker 1:31:00
And that, you know, it's coupled along with discernment and boundaries, and they're all connected. So she was able to help me release a lot. And she was just channeling from this higher source, like, straight up channeling, and it was just very,

Unknown Speaker 1:31:15
pretty wild to see this happen. So she was like, calling in from this higher place. And I felt very safe, I felt very protected.

Unknown Speaker 1:31:26
And we did this like prior to release, like

Unknown Speaker 1:31:30
the father relationship that I have. So it was, it was really good. And I was able to just yell and let my rage out.

Unknown Speaker 1:31:40
So I was able to read release quite a bit. After this, we

Unknown Speaker 1:31:46
got a booster. And I think, at this point, I should have just held back on taking it.

Unknown Speaker 1:31:54
Because I feel like I had already gotten what I needed out of it. I think that's in hindsight, maybe that's what I could have not taken.

Unknown Speaker 1:32:03
But we took a booster I took a stem of a mushroom, and

Unknown Speaker 1:32:08
I happen almost immediately where I just like kind of lost control. And

Unknown Speaker 1:32:16
in hindsight, it

Unknown Speaker 1:32:19
there was this something happened to me where I felt I was disassociated. I felt like I was super drunk like blackout drunk, why didn't have any association to myself, but I could feel the sensations in my body. And the sensations I felt were this strong, deep state of arousal like like climaxing type, and it was so strong. And I know it's also under the effects of the medicine, but just this feeling to have never, ever felt before. And I didn't have worth all of me or control. I felt like I was being controlled, and I could see my just hand moving down, like about to like go in my pants, but like, but I was able to stop it. So it was just this like state of arousal. And I just like said out loud, like, I'm organizing just like drunkenly, but it didn't feel like me. And I didn't have any control. And it just was very odd. And it was unwanted it was an unwanted feeling. So then, after that happened to me was like 1015 minutes, I went into disintegration where I just had these loops of negative thoughts that guilt shame, and I was able to like transform them into light. But after that happened, I just went out and it felt like and when I woke up, nobody was there. And it was dark. And I honestly felt like I was roofie because I have taken silicon before and I've checked what I've asked for. It's like, you drink too much. And they tell you Oh no, like you should have haven't taken that much with this. Like, I just like blacked out and never blacked out that way. Yeah, there's there's some there's something missing here. So can you walk me through how much and what strain Did you have at the beginning? Do you remember? golden teacher two grams and and 100 milligrams of MDMA. And you did the golden teachers first or you did the MDMA first, golden teachers first and our organizzare. It's

Unknown Speaker 1:34:24
MDMA first, and then an hour later, golden teachers and then like midway through we had a booster and I had a stem teacher, how big if you were looking at like the size of a of your hand, which is probably fairly close to mine, how big was the stem?

Unknown Speaker 1:34:40
Maybe like two inches. Because even if it's a very dense stem, that's still not very much because the thing is when it when it comes to even when you're building them when they're spread apart. How long has it been since you took the golden teachers

Unknown Speaker 1:35:00
Time, the first time. So you took the you took the MDMA. And then you took the golden teachers how long from when you took the golden teachers? Was this last? Maybe like four or five? Five hours in? Yeah, that that. So I've said in 1000s, of ceremonies at this point. And that does not make sense to me. And so I would also question What else could have been in the MDMA. And there's a lot more questions. And I also do not, I've seen very small amounts do really crazy things, too. So I'm not discounting that, because I have had experiences where I took a tiny amount that was as strong as a four or five, six gram and I was trying to do a micro. So I'm like sub perceptual amounts. So there is also the energy of plants in these spirits. And then there's the energy of the room. And this is why, for me setting setting, and the people that I'm with, if I'm not at 1,000%, trust, then those energies, I've had people call in entities and all sorts of crazy shit into containers that were not fortified with someone to protect the space. And I mean that unlike an energetic spiritual capacity, and this isn't even a space that I speak from, often.

Unknown Speaker 1:36:17
But I've also been in containers with people that I didn't feel safe, and I don't need to label it, where it was almost like their energy had entities that would enter in through them or travels with them, whether or not they're aware of it or not, that was my experience. And so to fall into a dissociative space in that timeframe is very peculiar, is the only word that I have, and not common. Now, that doesn't mean it's not possible. That doesn't mean there wasn't other components in the space or emotionally, if there was something that your body or brain didn't want to see that it couldn't compartmentalize and dissociate from it, if you're getting close to an old trauma, there are built in mechanisms in the body that I've seen do very extraordinary things and very extraordinary circumstances that can't be explained.

Unknown Speaker 1:37:12
What I what I would actually like to do

Unknown Speaker 1:37:16
is just schedule a call with you because I want to hear the entire story.

Unknown Speaker 1:37:20
Because there's, there's a lot of

Unknown Speaker 1:37:24
like I said, there's a lot of things with esoteric and mysticism that doesn't make quote unquote, sense. But as far as from a facilitation, and someone with a fair amount of personal experience over 14 years, and in tons of different lineages and tons of different varieties of mushrooms and different, you know, teacher plants. And there's just something that doesn't, it's not sitting well with me. And so I would love to just get on the phone with you and talk through it in as much detail as I can get and backstory of your history. Because I've also seen epigenetic expressions of triggers were something within someone else in the room can trigger somatic manifestations like, I'd have a lot more questions and a lot more than we would be able to really come through in this call. But what I do want to say with everyone still here,

Unknown Speaker 1:38:18
one thing that I stress and will continue to stress over and over again, is I don't care if it's a facilitator of 40 years, an iOS ghetto, accoding detto, whoever it is, remember that these people are still human, that there is still going to be lenses and traumas and shadow sides and everything else. So that being said,

Unknown Speaker 1:38:43
I'm also curious what other things were leading up to that in your life because

Unknown Speaker 1:38:48
I have had environments of people going into shamanic experiences with different facilitators were the and this is even even in the jungles of Peru, of someone's saying, Oh, we should all get together. There's something here for our lineage or our ancestry, and then it becomes predatory. And that can be translated in lots of different ways of what predatory means.

Unknown Speaker 1:39:13
But I just have a lot more questions. And it's important for anyone right now listening that's in this space that's in this room. Even if you get into a container if you get there and it is not a full yes in your body. It is a no, I don't care if you flew all the way to Peru. I don't care if you flew all the way to Africa, I don't care if you flew all the way to Canada. Like what I don't care what continent you've paid 1000s of dollars to get there. If your one biggest takeaway was to leave because your body said so. Leave, quote. I just want to add real quick. From my experience, it is possible to dissociate with MDMA. And I am not the only person that has experienced that. And everything you're saying is true. And this could be also be adding to it.

Kole 1:40:00
Other elements? Yeah, I'm curious what else could have been in it? Because so many hours later, that that's pretty far for the half life. If you you know, if you're talking five hours in, again, not impossible, but and it also doesn't mean it's pure MDMA either. So that's why I would like more conversation in more context. And but how are you feeling now through which parts were traumatic for you that feel unsettled in this moment that we might be able to bring some resolve to just shaken because I have come to my own conclusions, the woman that I had been channeling with, when I had felt those sensations, she also felt a little bit of that, but she was able to shut that down since she had been working more on her like controlling boundaries. So she was able to shut also that similar feeling down and she was seeing these like, really dark visions of like, people having intercourse, and she even saw like, someone homicide. So it was just weird. And like off and for me, too.

Unknown Speaker 1:40:58
For me to process what happened I I was researching, like spectral philia just to help me process and there have been other reports of people experiencing this and the purse, the woman's whose house rat her husband passed away back in years ago. And we've also had encounters of like weird things happening at the place. So I'm not sure there's just a lot of questions. And I think I was just shaken by like what I experienced.

Unknown Speaker 1:41:26
Yeah, I mean, I don't discount anything.

Kole 1:41:31
For you personally, right now, in this moment, would you be open to me doing a cord cutting exercise to bring at least your boundaries back to yourself, in case anything is still open? Absolutely. I would love that. Okay. Let me get settled here. So I'm going to invite anyone that's in the room right now, if you are willing open to hold this space with me with room just so that we can bring a sense of safety and closure to her body from this experience. And so that we can fully close the experience that was here. Just breathe with me for a second.

One moment,

just with your eyes closed in this moment right now.

And with every breath, I want you to take a deeper breath deeper into your body down into the bowl of your pelvis.

And as you exhale, imagine your breath enveloping your body, like a cocoon.

If there's any chords, strands, or passengers, they will easily slough away,

release and let go.

Inhaling in bringing your power from your pelvis up through your heart and your chest. And as you exhale another layer, just bringing a nice cocoon of safety, where the only thing here is your heartbeat for just a moment.

Just breathing feeling the temperature change within this safe container.

Nothing can get in

and yet your heart can still radiate out.

And with your next inhale, inhale up, and allow the shell to bloom open. Allow this cocoon to bloom open

from your crown emerging out of the top of the blossom

and floating off to your sides.

And just breathe for a moment. placing one hand on your heart,

one hand on the earth

bringing in all the power of the earth, the Earth's energy the Earth's nurturing back into your system.

reaching your tailbone all the way through the Earth to the earth's core.

Join in that power,

that certainty and that safety

on your next issue

Inhale, bring the life's core energy up through your body, out through your breath.

Now pulling one pedal from each of your sides, those beautiful cocoon petals that have blossomed open, I want you to use your physical hands, placing your hands out to the side of the floor where this cocoon has been opened. And I want you to pull the cocoon using your hands all the way up to meet on top of your head. So your hands are above your head,

then let your hands just drift down.

You're back in that beautiful centered cocoon,

where it's safe.

where nothing can be attached, or pole. For now, this is your temporary boundary to keep you protected. Wear it through the night this evening. And when you rise tomorrow morning, get out in the sun.

Let this cocoon go and know you have everything that you need. You learned a valuable lesson. And you have a level of self trust that this cocoon in the future will come back up to protect you. And you'll notice it in your body as it starts to rise when you aren't feeling safe. So if at any point in any journey, you need to put yourself back into your cocoon. Know that it is in your power and your freedom to protect yourself from anyone or anything that isn't in your highest service, or your greatest good or contribution.

So through tonight, your body will nourish, replenish. And when you emerge tomorrow, ready to let go of the shell

know that you will be back to the grounded centered feeling of empowerment, self trust, and in gratitude for the gifts.

What are you feeling right now in your body.

Unknown Speaker 1:47:23
I was feeling a lot of tingling sensations in my right hand up to my arm and a little bit in my left hand as well. And even before we started, I just started crying. And I'm just very touched by the care that you offer. And I really thank you for that. And I do feel much more settled than before.

Kole 1:47:43
Sometimes when our energies get opened, which is why I'm a big believer in having one person that is literally the protector of the container, someone that ensures that nothing comes in. And oftentimes is much as someone has the intention, they are still human, and their humaneness can come out in their conditioning.

So in those moments, you have a new tool and any other tools that you have. And I would love to chat with you more offline to get context just to answer or just to walk through it a little bit more.

And thank you for coming and sharing here. So vulnerably you know, we talk, anyone that's listening to all the panels I'm on I talk a lot of science, I talk a lot of other language, which is the third dimension language.

And with that, there's this part to where things do happen, where we give our power away, whether we consciously know that we do it or not, whether through conditioning, or through all of our fields opening up in these altered states

without knowing how to protect ourselves. And so it's this is a beautiful lesson for everyone to remember that through all of this. It isn't a beautiful exploration. And it's not a joke. It can be fun and incredible and exhilarating. And that doesn't mean it doesn't come with a shadow side, too. So thank you for the opportunity to hold this space. If all of the moderators will unmute for a moment and let's just take three deep breaths with Ruth. Just to fully bring her body back into a relaxed state. A nice Inhale in.

Inhale

Unknown Speaker 1:49:49
Ah,

Kole 1:49:51
one more all together. Inhale

And just to let you know, we're all here with you. And if at any time, you need to call on any of us, I'll speak for myself with pretty solid certainty that Astro Lucrezia and drew are, are also in agreement that if you need to talk we're here to sometimes it's finishing the mental processing. Sometimes there's more to discuss with the body. And and I have tons of somatic tools if the body still gets to feeling unsettled. So again, we'll talk more offline. Thank you, Astro. Lucrezia drew for joining me on stage today we had talked earlier, we went quite a bit longer, which is perfect, because there are times that

we have intentions. And then this is when the real work happens. And healing is not at our convenience. And I will know in my spaces, I will not operate in oppressive systems of time when something needs attention. So thank you so much for your time and attention today. Lucrezia drew Astro, any final words before we conclude this session for today? And yes, something that I just want to remind everyone and I keep reminding myself of is to give myself grace, for the things that I've done in the past, because I know that I do what I could at that time, with what I was surrounded with. And that has really helped me with, with self forgiveness.

Drew Muse 1:51:40
in them, yeah, I definitely This is true, I definitely agree with what you said like, it's, it's a process and some days are going to be better than the other. But I remember my group therapy, they were like, kind of think of it as like,

like those stock market charts when they're always going up.

Even if it hits like a new low, you're still higher than from where you started. So like, every, every time you fall, you're falling at a place that's a lot higher than the base than the absolute base. And so that's something that I always remember that once you start this journey, all you can do is to continuously go up. And rule I'm sending you love and light. And like Carl said, If you ever need anything, you can DM me anytime. Thank you guys so much for this room in the space. Also.

Unknown Speaker 1:52:36
I want to say thank you for having me and row.

Astro 1:52:39
If you don't physically want to talk to you all we just call upon our names and our energies will come and guide you and help you as well.

Everybody in the audience, just accept your pass and let it go. It don't make you who you are today. And who you are today is the future. So it's all about changing, you can grow. It's never too late.

Kole 1:53:01
Hmm, thank you all so much for your time and attention today. If you're looking to increase your facilitation practices or gain more tools in your belts, or you're curious and learning more about harm reduction, whether as a trip sitter, a facilitator, a ketamine clinician, if you're in the medical field, if you're a doctor, we'll be doing an in Austin training the first weekend in May, actually the second technically, which is March, I think seventh, or eighth that weekend, we'll be doing a small group in person and it will be available to study remotely, we're really looking to increase people's understanding of this psychedelic roadmap of sorts, how to navigate it, and how to be there not only for your friends and the people you love, but perhaps other people that find their way to you.

The work of psychedelics is going to increase exponentially as this year goes on. We're reaching unprecedented heights of mental health, overwhelm, and more people are going to be listening in for their psychedelic plant medicine power plant experience calling without the framework to integrate it

in ways that they could if they had a little more information, so if you go to my profile, it's The Psychedelic space.com or you can get it in my profile for my color my Instagram, would love to connect with more of you in person and really strengthen this network. And I appreciate you so much. Did you have something Astro?

Unknown Speaker 1:54:42
Nada. I'm sorry. Oh, no, you're good. I just saw you were unmuted. So we'll be back tomorrow morning. 10am bio hacking science, how to supplement not only with

Unknown Speaker 1:54:55
plants, but also there. There are other beautiful

Kole 1:55:00
Well, herbs are plants. But there's lots of ways to, to supplement your physicality to support your spirituality. So we'll be talking about that tomorrow at 10 a m, and on our bio hacking panel here in the psychedelic clubhouse. If you're not already following the clubhouse, you can click that little green house up at the top and follow the club. And I thank you all so much, have a beautiful rest of your evening. If you're here with us in Texas, stay warm.

We are here supporting everyone that we can. And if you've got people in Texas, I highly recommend you check in on your people. Because it's crazy down here right now. So thank you all so much. Until next time, I love you with a fervor I cannot put into words and I'll continue to reflect in all the work that I put out into the world. So thank you for those here to join me in this expression of play. Until next time, be free.